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Connie and Adam

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SPEAKER_01

I had a revelation on the way over here.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my goodness, tell me. So I like light lightning or like Epiphany not a light or like a light bulb.

SPEAKER_01

Not an epiphany or a light bulb so much. It's just like a oh wow. So I was thinking back on topics we've talked about. You know, flying cars, everyone ending up at Costco when the zombies come.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And today we're talking about AI, and it was like, holy shit, we as goofballs talking about nothing, are we actually just laying out a prediction for the end of days?

SPEAKER_00

We're like The Simpsons.

SPEAKER_01

We're just like predicting how the world's going to end.

SPEAKER_00

It's so crazy, but the flying cars, it's come up in conversation like three times in the last like two days.

SPEAKER_01

In what context?

SPEAKER_00

It was so crazy. Literally this morning, Ivor, I guess, is rewatching Back to the Future and he was talking to Tom. He's like, Daddy, do you know that in Back to the Future they're going to the year 2015? And like Tom's like, Yeah, and like they had like flying cars and stuff.

SPEAKER_01

And I mean, was that the I don't I didn't watch the one where they like portrayed the future, but I wanna like not to split hairs. Were those flying cars or were those time travel machines?

SPEAKER_00

No, they were flying cars.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, all right. So like the time travel machine took them to 2002.

SPEAKER_00

The DeLorean flew.

SPEAKER_01

Right, okay. Okay. Where we're going. We don't need roads.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome to an endless supply of nothing. I'm out of Paris.

SPEAKER_00

I'm Connie Foley.

SPEAKER_01

We are about to explore the absurd in a truly absurd way. We dare you to take us seriously. So AI.

SPEAKER_00

So when you say AI, are we talking like Terminator, like what is it, StarTech or whatever industries take over? Or are we talking like Jetsons, like where we get rosy or I was thinking I was thinking a little more mundane, but hey, we can go there too. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Uh we can go there too. But I was thinking about like the AI that's upon us.

SPEAKER_00

Right now.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Like large language models, co-pilot, Gemini, Claude.

SPEAKER_00

What's Claude? Like Jean-Claude?

SPEAKER_01

No, Claude is the name of one of the sort of more sophisticated AI out there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I don't know about that one. Maybe we should make one that's called Jean-Claude Van Damme.

SPEAKER_01

And like you could just stop and ask him, like, there are there's a sketchy person accosting me. What do I do? What would Jean-Claude do? Jump up in a big wide split and put both of your feet on either side of the subway columns and get ready to pull off like a 360 death blow.

SPEAKER_00

It's not like what would Jesus do? It's like what would Jean-Claude Van Damme do?

SPEAKER_01

W W J C D D. That's a mouthful. I feel like we need an abbreviation for an abbreviation.

SPEAKER_00

I find that AI right now is really more about like writing stuff or like. I mean, I guess it gives you ideas. I've been using it recently to like work on my resume and like write cover letters and stuff. And it is very articulate. I mean, way better writer than I could ever be.

SPEAKER_01

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, it's not uh-oh, because my writing is like a third grader.

SPEAKER_01

But um It gets you a good first draft.

SPEAKER_00

It does. Well, or the final.

SPEAKER_01

For any employer out there, I just want to remind you don't take this. Connie does write her cover letters.

SPEAKER_00

I am smart.

SPEAKER_01

I just personalizes them.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like I write my own Christmas card, so there you go.

SPEAKER_01

There you go. That's a good idea. And it's not just a Christmas card with the picture of my interview.

SPEAKER_00

Like, you know, just the picture of my stupid kids and a mass mailer. I write it individually. I love that.

SPEAKER_01

Thanks. I love that. I can't wait for mine this year now.

SPEAKER_00

Uh, you were on it last year, I think.

SPEAKER_01

I think so. Yeah. I really was touched actually.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah. You really remembered.

SPEAKER_01

I do. I do now that you say it. Okay. I had to be jogged a little bit. It's funny, yeah. Like that's actually, you know what I want an AI for? I want an AI for like mundane things. Like, I think you could build an AI in the bathroom of every teenage boy who ever lived to remind them to put the seat up and back down when they're done.

SPEAKER_00

Oh.

SPEAKER_01

You know, because it's hard to be in there. You don't want to be like looking over your son's shoulder and be like, put the seat up, put the seat down.

SPEAKER_00

Don't pee on the toilet.

SPEAKER_01

Don't pee on the toilet.

SPEAKER_00

And if you do, wipe it up.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, I think it could be a little less like direct. Nagging. Nagging. It'd be like, you know, you could have like a a woman's voice or a man, like whichever you you could program it to how you like it, and be like, oh man, I love it when you put the seed up.

SPEAKER_00

So just like words of affirmation. Yeah. Constantly.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I mean, I think that's that plays to the audience a little bit in this case.

SPEAKER_00

So you want AI to be a nagging parent. So you don't have to be?

SPEAKER_01

Not a customized parent, a third party. Actually, what I want is a third party.

SPEAKER_00

So then we can be just like the cool fun parents.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah. I can be like, hey, how was it in there?

SPEAKER_00

How'd it go? You did great, buddy.

SPEAKER_01

Good job, bud.

SPEAKER_00

It's clean.

SPEAKER_01

God, that AI's a jerk, right? But good job with the toilet seat.

SPEAKER_00

All right. What else should AI do?

SPEAKER_01

I can tell you what AI should not do.

SPEAKER_00

What? Read our minds.

SPEAKER_01

So I learned this is that in one area in Arizona, according to an article I read in The New Yorker, insert joke about privileged white male reading New Yorker here on the internet. At least it wasn't the economist. Yeah. But they do tend to like facts, and I I generally like facts.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

I like some attention to the facts.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Um but anyway, in one area in Arizona, calls to poison control have gone down. Um and yet emergency room visits for poison have gone up. So people they generally realize that people are consulting AI in situations where they think they've been poisoned or they actually have been poisoned.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, that's interesting. So it's kind of like doctor Googling and then like having home remedies that aren't working.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, I'm not going to try to recreate the logic. Well, actually, I will I'll try to re-recreate the logic here. Like, uh, oops, I took something and I think this is really bad for me. In fact, it may even say on the label next to the poison control number that this is toxic. But let's ask AI. Instead of calling the instead of calling the number that is connected to a large emergency apparatus that could help me. Let's ask AI. Hey AI. Hey, hey, Claude, hey, buddy. What do I do?

SPEAKER_00

And so then the AI is giving the wrong answer.

SPEAKER_01

And AI is giving the wrong answer, at least in a percentage of the cases.

SPEAKER_00

That's interesting. I mean, I know like you have called the poison control, but I don't know. I always I was like, why is this even exist? How many phone calls do they get?

SPEAKER_01

So you were gonna ask Claude? Are you in the Claude group?

SPEAKER_00

I like I don't know. I've just never had a need to call the poison control yet.

SPEAKER_01

So far, let me let's come to fruition.

SPEAKER_00

I know. I just don't. I don't know. I always like that to me was always like who calls that number?

SPEAKER_01

And 911? I mean Do you also like are you like anti- I mean I understand why it exists?

SPEAKER_00

But I haven't really used it.

SPEAKER_01

Well, wow, well, wow, well, wow.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I don't know. I mean, no, 911 will be. I mean, I use 311 pie the most because I check for alternate sidebarking.

SPEAKER_01

No, bullshit. You're one of those people who's like got 311 is like constantly open on your phone, and anytime you see someone violating, you know, oh no.

SPEAKER_00

I try to call 311 to report something, and it was a shit show. Not doing that again.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, like I feel like it either goes out into the ether and nothing happens, or they're like, okay, we heard you. Can we get more information? And then you get stuck in a rabbit hole of like, you know, where when did this transpire? What happened?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you're like, I really wasn't that invested. I just wanted you to take care of it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I just needed you to like field my rage. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00

All right, so what else about AI? What I don't like about AI is that it's making people kind of, I guess, stupider, like in the sense like they're not being creative as much. You just have to ask AI, like, what should I do on my vacation? Instead of you doing the research or you just kind of like gallivanting about, which I guess social media also kind of does, where you're like, Oh my god, I gotta go and have this croissant because it's the best place because all these people are going to eat it, you know, like where like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

It's Or I didn't actually want to go sleep in a hotel that's carved into a hillside, but it got surfed up to me on Instagram, and so now I feel like I have to go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It's like GBT told me, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I do think where does that line lie?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Dun dun dun. That's NFL, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01

It is, kind of. It had a it had a like a when you added that last year. It started out different and then it just you know, it just slipped in there.

SPEAKER_00

See, ChatGPT can't do that. AI wouldn't do that.

SPEAKER_01

It could.

SPEAKER_00

It can't slip up. Then it would mess up the matrix.

SPEAKER_01

Actually, no, it does. That's exactly how it works.

SPEAKER_00

Really?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. It goes through iterations of like a process of elimination to guess the probability of let like words that come next.

SPEAKER_00

Wow, you'll know a lot more about this than I do.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I'm not sure I just got that bang on, but I think I'm in the general ballpark.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know. I just associate it to like movies like The Terminator or The Matrix. And when do I see Keanu Reeves?

SPEAKER_01

At what point does Neo come into my bedroom and tell me that he became the one because I love him.

SPEAKER_00

See, I'm all for that. Does that happen in AI?

SPEAKER_01

I do love the movie The Matrix, the original one, but I have to say there was that one moment where it was like, you must be the one because the oracle told me that I would fall in love with the one and I love you. It was that was a little bit like, really?

SPEAKER_00

The Matrix is not supposed to be a love story.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, I mean is this a rom com? Shit, I had no idea this is a rom-com. I'm like an hour in, and look at that. Man, I like that.

SPEAKER_00

It's an action-packed rom com.

SPEAKER_01

They make you wait for it. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like our generation definitely grew up with our first or like one of our first big sort of introductions to AI was the Terminator.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It did love me and Arnold Schwarzenegger movie grew up.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, it was one of the best. Arnold, I'll be back. I mean, how many people said that?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like everybody. Have you and he just I mean he wouldn't be the governor without the terminator.

SPEAKER_01

He was actually an effective, a fairly effective politician. I lived in California at the time. And I was highly skeptical during the election. And then turns out he did a pretty good job.

SPEAKER_00

I know. He could be president if he was only a natural born citizen.

SPEAKER_01

There you go. There's that one little hurdle.

SPEAKER_00

Which also is the name of a movie.

SPEAKER_01

It's funny how that is a hurdle, and yet being a convicted sex offender and impeached multiple times is totally okay. Yeah. Do you think did Trump have to go door to door and notify everyone in his neighborhood when he moved into the White House? Hello, I'm Donald, the sex offender.

SPEAKER_00

No, well, I don't think the White House is so big and like surrounded that it probably is outside of that radius. The buffer. You're like on your own island. You don't have to you don't have any neighbors that you need to notify.

SPEAKER_01

There you go. That's a good reality TV show. That's what it feels like our our executive office has become. Just like a reality TV show. Sex offender island.

SPEAKER_00

But they would need their own island.

SPEAKER_01

They would.

SPEAKER_00

And then would it be like Tom Hanks and uh what was that? Castaway?

SPEAKER_01

You know, I've never seen that movie.

SPEAKER_00

What?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should I? Is it good?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, it's pretty good. There's not a lot of talking.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I remember reading about that. I have made fire.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. It's like, well, he talks to himself for a little bit, but then it's like silent. And then I think he goes, you know, once he creates Wilson, I think he starts talking to the ball. But for a while it's pretty much.

SPEAKER_01

This is this is a hard sell, by the way. I'm really like feeling excited.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I think it won awards. I have no idea. It was a long time ago.

SPEAKER_01

I know he got pretty jacked.

SPEAKER_00

Well, he lost a lot of weight, right? Because he had to be on a desert island. Deserted island?

SPEAKER_01

Not as yeah, deserted island. Let's play Castaway 2040.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

You got somebody on the island and they've had AI do everything for them. Are they gonna make it out? Are we gonna find Wilson? Was Wilson an early version of AI?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, is that a light bulb moment or is that a like that was just a sort of like you just blew my line?

SPEAKER_01

It's not even 420.

SPEAKER_00

Wait, but if this deserted island has uh AI, I mean you have Wi-Fi?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, right. You have electricity. Hey guys, turn the lights on. Come on, where's the hotel pool? Come on. This was cool. I get it. Make me think I fell out of the plane.

SPEAKER_00

Actually, that happened in an episode of Loot. Have you do you watch that show? No. It was really funny. Oh he like faked the plane crash and like she was on this like island, and but it was actually like on an island where she has this huge house and he was like he had this whole staff. It's in it was funny. It's exactly what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, good. Thank you. Thanks for confirming.

SPEAKER_00

You're welcome. How do you use AI? Do you use it a lot?

SPEAKER_01

Sure. I mean, I would I don't know if I'd say I use it a lot. I have used it to try to summarize large chunks of information.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

But just initially.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Just to get like an initial scan. Then I kind of, depending on what pops up, I like to go deeper into the sources.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

I mean I definitely always check the sources that it it's drawing from. And I never take it as truth. Like whatever it's telling me is truth.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Connie's like, I'm a little hungover. And that was like a serious tip. That was boring.

SPEAKER_00

Um like I said, I think it helps with large documents and law papers and like all that stuff. Could be summarized in 15 seconds.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, again, like with caveats, but yeah. Like let me give you an example. Do you like wire cutter? Do you know what wire cutter is?

SPEAKER_00

Not the snip snip like tool, but like Wow.

SPEAKER_01

We're good.

SPEAKER_00

But like the new sniper.

SPEAKER_01

Do you mean snip snip? Do you mean scissors? No, like wire cutter is basically like the New York Times version of consumer reports. Do you know I'm not sure what's going on? Test kitchen?

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

That it's like test kitchen for products.

SPEAKER_00

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01

Anyway, you know, if you're like, what's the best vacuum out there? You go to wire cutter, you say vacuums, and it's like best vacuums of 2025. Only it's not like one option. Like they'll give you the best overall pick, but then they'll give you the best budget pick. And so, like, you know, you scan that for information, you can go deep and see like how they tested it, what were all the models they tested. And you know, like at least I don't take it as like I have to pick the overall pick, because in some cases that's not exactly what I'm looking for. Sometimes I go to the budget pick, sometimes I go to the luxury. Oh fancy. Um and so I feel like AI is good for that.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

How do you use AI?

SPEAKER_00

To write my resume and cover letters.

SPEAKER_01

How else do you use AI?

SPEAKER_00

I mean at work there was like this huge long spreadsheet and I had it I ran it through that and it was helpful. But I was watching Land Man. Have you watched that show with Billy Both already?

SPEAKER_01

I've watched it, I tried.

SPEAKER_00

Well, anyway, there was this scene where like there are guys like on an oil rig and they're like working and they're like moving pipes and you know, doing all this stuff. And I said to Tom, I was like, Well, that's a job that AI's not taking over, you know, because everyone is like terrified of AI's, you know, take over, like Startech or whatever, right? So I think it's interesting in this time that we're living in. And then I had this other like thought is AI right now.

SPEAKER_01

How many times have I told you about thinking? Okay. Sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00

Um so then I was thinking, is it really more about the white-collar jobs and stuff? Like, should you be concerned if you are more of an educated or like have a white-collar job versus like a blue-collared one, right? Like an AI can never take over plumbing or electric work, right? Like, but when it comes to like advertising, copywriting, and all that stuff, it has affected some of their bottom line, right? So currently it's more about like I guess the white-collar positions that AI is kind of threatening. But will it ever trickle down to the physical jobs? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I I suppose it could. I mean, in that that same article I was referencing, like there was the writer was sort of juxtaposing like this data center that they visited and a farm that was next door and like went and talked to the farmer, and the farmer was like, Yeah, everybody's selling their land off because it's like really hard to like grow stuff around here, and it's also just super desolate. But I do use Claude to like help me optimize my fertilizer application or whatever.

SPEAKER_00

So Oh, that's interesting. That's a good way to use AI.

SPEAKER_01

I do think there's a world where like, you know, and people 3D print homes. I could see where you'd operate that oil rig like remotely with just automated equipment that draws from AI or Or makes it safer. Which would then cut down injuries. But yeah, I mean I think like then what do we do? Just sit around and watch brothel all day. Heaven. Yep, see, this is dangerous. This is dangerous. Connie just got stars in her eyes. Oh my god. Oh my god, is there a way to sit around and do nothing?

SPEAKER_00

And get paid, and get health insurance.

SPEAKER_01

And and yeah, then all we have to do is be like disco Sally.

SPEAKER_00

Dream. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I'm gonna make my investment now. My AI influenced investment is gonna be to like bring back Studio 54, just a chain of talks. People are gonna have like all this disposable time and income because AI is going to be so productive and so efficient that uh we're just gonna make money. And so, what else are we gonna do with our time? Get loose.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, go dancing, have a couple of drinks, not too many, and then you know, dance.

SPEAKER_01

I like how she was like, I have one. Maybe two drinks. Uh listener Disco Sally was it? Or Disco Sally, I think her name was. Connie was uh was watching a clip on the web of this woman who's like maybe you know 80 plus years old, and uh this was back in the disco era and was talking about her like her nights at Studio 54.

SPEAKER_00

Oh man, that's a time I'd like to go back to.

SPEAKER_01

Can I ask you, do you know if that video was AI generated?

SPEAKER_00

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

It could have been.

SPEAKER_00

It could have been. It seems authentic. I'm gonna say it is.

SPEAKER_01

I think it's leading you in a direction. I think it's like we don't need to make Arnold, we don't need to make the terminata. We just be super efficient and give them a massive distraction, which is like a bunch of glitter, a disco ball, a lot of cocaine and alcohol, and a free license to just go get loose every night.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, that's how the machines take over. I mean, that might that sound like a fun world. There might be less crime.

SPEAKER_01

If I'm going, at least I'm enjoying the ride.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. Well, I do think about the AI generated stuff, there should be something that has an asterisk on it or something. Because it's hard to tell nowadays. And I think it's like I've seen a lot of stuff where I'm like, that can't be real.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, oh, for sure. No, I definitely think there should be a disclaimer. And our friend who works on the legal side of AI for a organization not to be named, I told her the story of like the emergency room, like poison control emergency room visits. And um and her first response was, Well, ours has a disclaimer. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Oh, see, look at them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I like it.

SPEAKER_01

We can't tell what's real.

SPEAKER_00

We can't. And I just it makes me concerned. Yes, we are real. Thanks. Or are we in the matrix?

SPEAKER_01

No, because if we were in the matrix, you'd be manifesting Keanu. You'd be sitting on you'd be talking under the mic while sitting on his lap.

SPEAKER_00

Hey, baby.

SPEAKER_01

Uh we're about halfway through the episode. Can you just go get me a little cappuccino? Thanks, Boo. Thanks, Neo.

SPEAKER_00

Um, but it is it is concerning in the sense of like, you know, we're old and wise, so we'll know the difference between kind of what's real and what's not. But like kids these days, they don't know the difference, right? Or it's harder for them. They don't know really what's real, what's not, and what's AI, what's what really happened, right? So I think that's that's that's the slippery slope we have to avoid in order to avoid the Terminator scenario.

SPEAKER_01

Have you of world domination again? I think they're they're like, I don't know that I believe that those machines are required because I'm generally discounting human uh intelligence a little bit. I think we're we're too smart for our own good sometimes and not um not enough common sense. But have you ever watched, have you ever gotten really stoned and watched like a show or yep? Okay, let's say hypothetically, neither have I. So I'm just like hypothetically speaking.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um no, I'll I'll go out on a limb. I've gotten stoned before. And um and sometimes when I do or have done, because I don't anymore, um but uh sometimes I have I watched like a sh TV show or a movie, even like a movie I've seen before and I thought was like pretty good. Yeah. And then I watch it again stoned, and I'm like, this is really bad. Like the acting is terrible, like it's very Usually it should get better. It's so obvious that it's fake that um I I can I can just tell. And so maybe the answer to not letting AI be the end of the world is everyone should just be really stoned. Like if you're having doubts, just get stoned.

SPEAKER_00

Just get stoned. Didn't Bob Dylan say that? Dr. Dre said that too. Yeah, see, puppets and smoke, and and uh Snoop Dogg, right?

SPEAKER_01

Smokeweed and oh Snoop Dogg sees right through my eye. He sees right through my eye.

SPEAKER_00

He's like the oracle. Yeah, he is the oracle. Snoop Dogg is the oracle.

SPEAKER_01

I didn't even know until this very second that my like visage of the oracle, ideal visage of the oracle is Snoop Dogg. Thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_00

You welcome. I mean, I think we solved it.

SPEAKER_01

We did solve it. I think we should end there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Trust Snoop Dogg, get stoned as shit.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And you know then you'll see the light. And go disco every day. And this was an endless supply of nothing.

SPEAKER_00

Goodbye.