SPEAKER_05 0:00

You know how people are like, there's that cliche like having a cigarette after sex?

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 0:06

I think it should be a frosty and fries.

SPEAKER_01 0:08

After sex? Yeah. I'm sure Wendy's would really like that.

SPEAKER_05 0:13

But the the question is, how do you get out of bed?

SPEAKER_01 0:16

I was gonna say the logistics of it sounds a little bit difficult.

SPEAKER_05 0:20

It does.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Right? Because like a frosty is not something you can like buy in preparation and put it in the freezer.

SPEAKER_05 0:27

What if I had like a cooler by the bed? How would you feel if you were like you went home with someone, things went off, and you had sex, and then that person was like, guess what I got right here?

SPEAKER_04 0:40

I got this frosty in the cooler. And I I also I also just happen to have a toaster oven and then you're gonna have to put an air fryer.

SPEAKER_05 0:51

I have an air fryer next to my bag. You seem fresh. Well, I did hit the air fryer before we started having sex. I just happened to like click it on just really quickly. And you know what the conflicting truths would be in that situation? Tell me I you'd be like, Well, I'm really fucking skeeped out that this person has all this prepared, but I also want the frostian fries.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

On the flip side, if a girl had it all ready for you, would you be like jackpot?

SPEAKER_05 1:19

Well, this is like a male-female thing. Yes, in fact, I would, actually. I'm not ashamed to say it.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Would you be like, I'm gonna marry it?

SPEAKER_05 1:30

Yo, have you ever tried Burger King on your rings? Because I'm gonna put a ring on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

You call up all your boys like, bro, I think I met my wife.

SPEAKER_04 1:43

Bro, fucking jackpot, goddammit.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

She had fresh frosties and fresh fries next to her bed.

SPEAKER_05 1:55

Okay, first off, first off, and then then the frosty came out, but bro, it does not stop there.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

Then she had fries in the bedroom.

unknown 2:12

And they were hot.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

And she's listening to this conversation, and she doesn't care. And her family's on speakerphone, on her phone, and they don't care.

SPEAKER_05 2:29

Oh no. Welcome to an endless supply of nothing. I'm out of Paris.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

I'm Connie Foley.

SPEAKER_05 2:40

We are about to explore the absurd in a truly absurd way. We dare you to take us seriously.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

So, what are we gonna talk about today?

SPEAKER_05 2:54

Is that enough banter for you? I I never know how much banter you need.

SPEAKER_01 2:58

I mean, I let you talk for a good amount of time.

SPEAKER_05 3:00

It was Oh, geez. I would like to talk about multiple conflicting truths.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Um give it to me.

SPEAKER_05 3:08

So I like to think of myself as someone who uh appreciates nuance. You know, I like I like shades of gray, you know? I don't like things in black and white. There's just so many there's so much like fifty shades of gray. Maybe not those. Um I like shades of gray, I like nuance, I like subtlety, but I do feel like it's getting a little loose, right? So like multiple conflicting truths sort of captures that space in my mind. That is what I want to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Like give me an example.

SPEAKER_05 3:45

So I'll give you a very mundane small example.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 3:49

Um my wife loves me. I know that.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

She does.

SPEAKER_05 3:53

Um it is also true.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

But I feel like there's a butt coming off.

SPEAKER_05 3:58

It is also true that, you know, occasionally, from time to time, depending on what I'm eating, I might chew just like a little loudly for her taste.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

No, you did it.

SPEAKER_05 4:11

For her taste. She can be annoyed at me and also love me at the same time. Those are two conflicting truths. And just like occasionally, it just like gets to like a point where it's like nibbles at the nerves just long enough.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

When it crosses like the middle.

SPEAKER_05 4:29

It results in the look.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

Uh dun dun dun dun.

SPEAKER_05 4:32

Dun dun dun. One of the looks where we give we exchange looks and it's not a good look. It's not a good one.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

And then do you kind of like do you like quiver? Do you like shit your pants a little bit? Do you are you like on eggshells?

SPEAKER_05 4:47

Like you know, usually what happens is I try to like chew just like a little quieter and she accepts me for who I am.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

I mean, yes, they're both truths, but is that like relationship 101 in a way? Like, no one's perfect. Everyone's gonna have something that you do that's annoying. And then you just have to like figure out in this spouse, am I gonna be able to live with this or is this gonna be a deal breaker?

SPEAKER_05 5:12

For sure. Yeah. I don't know that I would call it relationship 101. I think a lot of people take a long time to figure this one out. I mean, just checking the stats a little bit. The box score. We've been married for almost 20 years, so yeah, I figured this out pretty quick. But um, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

You're really good at math.

SPEAKER_05 5:35

There was a lot of threshold crossing early on. Um I'm sure. But yeah, no, I I think in a microcosm, this is what fundamentally what relationships are all about. So then give me an example of my two truths. Two conflicting truths that you have to hold side by side.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Well, I don't know. Like, I love my kids, but they're annoying as fuck.

SPEAKER_05 5:58

Now we're talking. Now we're talking.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Right? So, like, I love them, but like there's a lot of things that they do that drives me crazy.

SPEAKER_03 6:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

So that doesn't mean I love them less, but I guess do I love my kids just because well I made them?

SPEAKER_05 6:14

Do you not love your kids because you're annoyed by them?

SPEAKER_01 6:17

I don't know. I guess. Are you talking about thresholds or are you talking about two coexisting statements?

SPEAKER_05 6:26

I mean both. I think you you how do you know the coexisting state like not statements, but like emotions?

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 6:34

Realities. How do you know if you don't like testing thresholds?

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Um, it could be like murder. Let's talk about murder. Okay. Everyone would say murder is bad. But what if it's in self-defense?

SPEAKER_05 6:50

Yeah. Yeah. Or like generally, just to take that even a step further, you could say, like, I am generally a nonviolent person. But if I had to defend myself, I cut a bitch. I cut a bitch.

SPEAKER_04 7:05

Or would I?

SPEAKER_05 7:06

I mean, I don't know. But you've got to hold those two things side by side, else you end up dead. But so then you start making rationalizations.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Oh.

SPEAKER_05 7:18

So the fact that you're like somebody's coming after you and you're gonna use violence as an answer to that is irrationalization. I mean, there's a little bit of survival, straight up survival in that scenario.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

Well, human nature or instinct, right?

SPEAKER_05 7:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

Well, where I guess where does human instinct come in versus rationalization?

SPEAKER_05 7:38

Important question. I mean, I think what it means to be human is like you have a form of consciousness that is able to rationalize. Whereas most in many situations, most other species are just fight or flight. I mean, they're just acting automatically.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

And fight or flight thing comes in and it's just like Well, instinct doesn't, you can't have rationalization and instinct, that's a contradiction.

SPEAKER_05 8:06

And so our brain is a contradiction.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

So what does that mean?

SPEAKER_05 8:15

So we're like a walking contradiction, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

I mean, I feel like that's what we're coming to here.

SPEAKER_05 8:20

Yeah, maybe. I guess where I was kind of going, if there's a gray area to every situation, what it opens up is like killing people is bad. But if you did it in self-defense, maybe not so bad. And I feel like we now are at a point where it's like there's so much of that rationalization, so much of that gray area that we've sort of lost our compass.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

I agree. I mean, like, would you say jaywalking is illegal?

SPEAKER_05 8:47

See, and this comes back again to New York City.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:51

Because like if you're in a town and you got a population of 10,000 people and maybe one person jaywalks, maybe it's not so bad, but like in the city, if you just sort of look the other way in jaywalking and you got thousands of cars and thousands of people, lots of distractions. I feel like it's a recipe for disaster.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

But we jaywalk every day.

SPEAKER_05 9:12

But we do jaywalk.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

But actually I have a friend of mine who well not my friend, it was my sister's friend. They were in DC and these two girls got a ticket for jaywalking, and then they walked into a bar, put the ticket down at the bar, and like they got free drinks on night.

SPEAKER_04 9:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 9:29

I was hoping that's where that was going. And so now you got everybody in DC jaywalking so they can get free drinks.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

I mean, this was like twenty years ago, but Hell in the handbasket. Yeah. Where do you stand on that? Should we not jaywalk? Do we only walk when the white man tells us to walk?

SPEAKER_05 9:50

I don't know. I mean, that's what we tell our children.

unknown 9:54

I know.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

I'll never forget the day where I was teaching Ivor how to we were like, you know, teaching him when to cross. And it's like it's easy. Red hand means stop, don't walk. And then it's like it turned to the walking. We were like, when it's a white man, you walk. And then I heard myself say that out loud, and I was like, oh, whoa.

SPEAKER_04 10:14

That sounds racist.

SPEAKER_01 10:16

Totally. What did I just say? And so then it became walking man.

SPEAKER_05 10:23

I did the white light, and then I was like, wait, that sounds like death. Don't go to the light. Don't go to the light, don't go to the light. Don't go to the light at all.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

Just turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

Don't go towards the light, Eddie.

SPEAKER_04 10:40

Don't go towards the light.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Um So, okay, fine. So we digress. So I mean, like, we are I mean, I think human nature does make us a little bit of a life of contradiction.

SPEAKER_05 10:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You do present two really good extremes. Total order and hierarchy, and um trying to question the institutions that we have. You know, somewhere in the middle, there's a pretty mundane situ there are more mundane situations like on the subway, you're not supposed to eat. And that rule's there for a reason. And I'm not necessarily questioning it, but like somebody's eating a protein bar next to me or like some little snack, right? Manageable, it's not messy, it's generally pretty like discreet. I don't have a problem with that, right? But if someone just breaks out a takeout container and like a whole carton full of chicken wings and is like tucking into barbecue sauce, like licking their fingers. I mean, I don't know about you, but like when I eat chicken wings, it's like not pretty. It's that's just let's just say that, it's just not pretty at all, even when I'm trying to be polite. And so that's a situation where you're like, dude, come on. Like, we can't be eating wings on the subway.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

Like, I am just gonna say, like, like every situation is different. I agree with you. However, like what if that person like hasn't eaten all day and they need to go from the first job to the second job, and like you know, they have back-to-back situations. This is the only time that they have to eat.

SPEAKER_06 12:23

Fair, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:24

Like, is it you know, I mean, I agree, like, maybe don't get chicken rings and maybe get like a sandwich or something that you can that doesn't require utensils.

SPEAKER_05 12:34

Yeah, I'll even take a burrito.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Yeah, right. Don't maybe something that like doesn't like require fingers or utensils.

SPEAKER_05 12:40

Anything where you gotta spread out and constantly, like a dog, basically cleanse yourself in between bites, like you know, that's generally I mean in the promenade there's a lot of people at night who like go and like are having like little romantic makeout sessions, and then they have like a plate of chicken wings and they're eating and then they throw it on the ground.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

We stopped taking our dog to the promenade in the morning walk because she would be like like eating chicken wings, and we would be like fighting away, and we're like, what the fuck? Why would you ever think to just like eat a chicken one and throw it like drop carton? Like just leave it, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:17

You know what it is, is there's a bunch of fucking cat lovers across the city, and when night falls, they all have this like unspoken schedule, schedule where they like eat chicken wings and drop them just to get back at the dogs.

SPEAKER_01 13:32

Like Catwoman? Is that like a catwoman sidekick?

SPEAKER_05 13:35

It's like a version of Catwoman. It's just like eating chicken without a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

I mean, there is a cat cafe, like right next, you know, who knows?

SPEAKER_05 13:42

Yeah, but there are shade, but yes, you're right. There are shades of gray, right? Like if you're fifty shades of gray. Yeah, fifty shades of gray, double fisted. Here we go. Um I've seen people eat chicken wings on the subway, but I've never gone up to them and been like, hey, I don't make the rules, but you know, come on, dude, don't do that. For the very reason that you're citing of like, what do I know about what that person? Maybe this is their only chance to eat all day. Maybe they work three jobs and they're getting through there. There's like a lot of shades of gray there. But isn't that an instance where we could say, we're not saying don't eat on the subway.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

Like never ever.

SPEAKER_05 14:24

But as far as eating on the subway, choose wisely, treat it like you're on a date. Like you're not gonna pull up on a date, your first date, and just go all rams on there and be like and go crazy, right? Like you kind of want to come across as like a somewhat sane, reasonable person. So that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Well, funny you see that that was that was gonna be my tangent. So there was this place near where I grew up. They had like the best ribs of all time, and I loved them. And so one time my mom took me and like my best friend live there for dinner. So we ordered the ribs, she got her full rack, I got mine, and we went to town. Like, we went to town, and my mom looked at me and was just like, what the fuck? And then she's like, You can never come here on a date. She was like, You can never come here on a date because no man is gonna want to date you after seeing you either.

SPEAKER_05 15:32

No man is gonna want to see what I've seen today.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

No, I think she was traumatized.

SPEAKER_05 15:41

Um, yeah, so you see what I'm saying is basically like there are shades of gray, and ultimately I think what we're talking about here is like exercising judgment, right? I'll give you another situation that drives me fucking nuts. Right? So customer service numbers, right?

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Not the number itself, but just customer service numbers. The experience.

SPEAKER_05 16:04

The experience. The experience in the double physics.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

Not like, you know, it ends in like 6969 or something. Like, okay.

SPEAKER_05 16:15

Um, yeah, not that there's no universal customer service number.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Whatever happened to 1900 numbers? Weren't those like the Yeah, those were the paid ones that you would call for like the bounce check a bound oil situation.

SPEAKER_05 16:28

Right, yeah. Dude, you well, I didn't sound like you did.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

I never did that. No, but I was always curious because right.

SPEAKER_05 16:35

Let the records show that Connie's looking around, shifting in her seat, adjusting her neoprene. It's all getting a little awkward.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Whatever happened to what happened?

SPEAKER_05 16:45

Okay. Real-time edit. Back to the story. Customer service. All right, so you end up like 30 minutes, you're on hold, and they're giving you the and now they give you the entire time the option to be called back, which is basically like, don't call us, we'll call you. And you end up with somebody and they collect all your information. So you're finally connected to this person, you're like, sweet god, thank you. Like, I need help. I needed help before I dialed the numbers, and then I now especially need help that I've been on hold for 30 minutes. And they're like, Well, first I need to collect some information to make sure it's really you. Like, what motherfucker is pulling some kind of scam that they're gonna have to wait 30 fucking minutes to try to prove that they're like, come on, dude, there's a natural bar like barrier there.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

That's true. Maybe they make you wait 30 minutes just to weed out the scammers.

SPEAKER_05 17:41

Yeah, yeah. Well, then they wouldn't have to collect my fucking information.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

So I'm a little hot.

SPEAKER_05 17:46

I'm a little hot on this one. I gotta cool down. Um I like it.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

I like it when you're hot. Come on, bring it at me. Okay, come at me hot.

SPEAKER_05 17:53

Here I come. Splash them water on the thing.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

God damn.

SPEAKER_05 17:56

Okay, round two. So then you get there and you give them all the information and they're like, describe to me the situation, and you describe the situation, and they're like, uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay, let me look. Hold will you just can you just hold on a second? So you go back on hold, but it's not like a real hold, it's a silent hold during the five.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

But without the music?

SPEAKER_05 18:17

Without the music during which the entire time you're like, Did they just fucking hang up on me?

SPEAKER_01 18:22

I was just about to say that. Because like the whole time you're kind of sweating a little bit because you're like, Fuck, did they just hang up? Did did all of that amount to nothing? Yeah, like did they just hit the wrong button? Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 18:33

Yeah. And then they come back on. It's like, oh yeah, well, I'm sorry. Um, this is the wrong number. I gotta bout you over to fucking, you know, I gotta give you over to the building department, and they've got a whole different number, and guess what? They work totally different hours. So you're gonna have to call back on Monday. And it's like, dude.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

But it's Tuesday.

SPEAKER_05 19:01

Oh my god, you just read back to me a bunch of information about my account. All the information's there. You know what I'm dealing with. All right, so then I'm not gonna be able to do it. I am not authorized to speak on that. And I'm like, you know, I'm sorry, sir, I don't make the rules, but I just can't make that decision.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

But see, once again, this is the thing. They can't because they only have a script to do an X amount. So it's actually the corporation who is fucking that whole situation up.

SPEAKER_05 19:33

I can't tell if you're like behind big corporation or what. Like, I can't tell if you're like I have a funny story. Okay, please.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

So I had my identity stolen. There was this incident that happened, and there was someone who had my information. They physically went to an ATT store.

SPEAKER_05 19:54

What did that person go to?

SPEAKER_01 19:55

Yeah, no, T-Mobile store. They went to a T-Mobile store and bought three iPhones and like two Apple watches or something like that, right? Activated it all, and everything would have gone totally fine, except they fucking bought insurance.

SPEAKER_04 20:10

Oh wow. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Right? So then I got all these things from like not from Team Mobile, but like the Team Mobile insurance. Were they getting ribs?

SPEAKER_04 20:22

Well, they're gonna give it a bit like you gotta get some insurance.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Apparently there was footage of them going into the store and doing it, right? Like I was getting all these like flyers being like, or like, you know, letters being like, like even fucking Cricket Mobile wrote me like a letter being like someone tried to open an account and we didn't let them. But T Mobile was like, sure, go ahead. They're in San Mateo, California. They give them my address of Brooklyn, New York. Let them walk away with three iPhones and two Apple Watches. Oh my god. With insurance on every single one of them. And like I didn't get a bill from T Mobile or anything, right? So I'm like shutting everything down and like all the stuff, like closing all the accounts that they opened, which wasn't many. It was the craziest thing. They opened like savings accounts. I'm like, I don't know who is this scamming person, but I don't know if they're like the brightest apple.

SPEAKER_05 21:21

You think so, so then I'm like calling T-Mobile, being like the cricket people were like, I can see this guy coming for a mile away. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

I'm like, even fucking cricket said no.

SPEAKER_05 21:36

I feel like, yeah, but I wanted to pull that side for a second because I feel like cricket, they see, they see it all. And so they're like street smart, whereas T Mobile is like very like, you know, you know, high, high fluid.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

I mean, they're kind of on the bottom. I mean, it's like Verizon, A, T and D, and like, you know, T Mobile.

SPEAKER_05 21:55

They're the bottom of the top. They're the filling in the world.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

The bottom ring.

SPEAKER_05 22:01

It's like, yeah, we saw that shit. You can't fool us.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Yeah. So in order for me to close those accounts, they were like, you need to file a police report and all this stuff. So then I called them customer service, all these people, and I tried to be nice to those people because I understand, like, that's not the greatest job in the world. You probably get yelled at a lot. And I don't want to make them cry, you know. But I reached the point where I was just like, listen, this is like my 15th call. I've been telling you, like, there is an incident, there was fraud, all this stuff.

SPEAKER_05 22:34

You're getting ready to shoot the message. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

Each person was just like, sorry, ma'am, I can't help you with that. Like, unless you get a police report, I go to the fucking police station, they're like, Well, if we took in every person who was just like, there's a T-Mobile account open on my name, we wouldn't like be able to fight crime.

SPEAKER_05 22:56

And I mean the other crime, the crime besides this crime.

SPEAKER_06 23:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:01

What you have, ma'am, is a case of like, you know, temporary crime. It'll go away. You can just cancel some shit.

SPEAKER_01 23:08

Yeah. And so then I was like, I don't know what to do. T-Mobile is like starting to send things to uh the creditors. And I'm like, I don't know what to do. Like it's like this awful merrick-around. I got to a point I was like, I fucking lost my shit. On like I called the right department, but I lost my shit. Yes. I lost my shit.

SPEAKER_05 23:27

Let's roll play. Let's roll play. Um, I'm sorry, Miss Foley. According to our records, you actually signed up for these accounts and you have the phone.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

I'm sorry. I've this is my 15th call, and I don't live in the city.

SPEAKER_05 23:43

I'm gonna stop you. I can't help you.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

I'm sorry. I know you can't help me, but this is like outrageous. I need a letter from you so I can go to the police precinct to say that I live in Brooklyn and somebody else was in your store in San Mateo, California.

SPEAKER_05 23:59

According to our records, you live in San Mateo. You were there.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

No, she used my address. How else am I getting the fucking insurance paperwork? Oh my god, I was losing it.

SPEAKER_05 24:11

You were getting hot there a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

I was. This was before COVID.

SPEAKER_05 24:14

I'm gonna call Tom and be like, Tom, you gotta role play. You gotta be the T-Mobile guy uh caller.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Oh, he would be like, no way, man. Um I mean, it it was bad.

SPEAKER_05 24:25

Now you're feeling my pain. And it really is. I want to go back to because we are we are sympathetic here at an endless supply of nothing. We're not just callous.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Um I don't want to be a dick or an asshole.

SPEAKER_05 24:42

Yeah, we're not we're not dicks and assholes, okay? We're like real softies. Um, but uh I do want to go back to like, yeah, one of the toughest jobs in the world has to be somebody working at like a Verizon or a T-Mobile store where the customer service line, not the store. No, I'm talking about the store. I'm talking about where you gotta look that person directly in the eye while you are fucking them. You know, like really just not literally, but holding those rules, you're double fisting them with rules and layers of bureaucracy and bullshit. And being like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I know you're not in San Mateo. I can see you're here in Brooklyn. Yep, you're right here in front of me. Yep. Mm-hmm. But guess what?

unknown 25:30

I can't do shit.

SPEAKER_05 25:33

That they get they get like drilled, yeah, non-stop. That's gotta be tough.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

That's gotta be tough.

SPEAKER_05 25:42

It's gotta be tough. See, now we've reversed the rule roles.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Yeah, so but once again, so ch is it their fault when the corporation is the one who's handcuffed them?

SPEAKER_05 25:57

That's the question. That is the question. Every day we make lots of decisions about whether or not to accept whatever bullshit is being handed to us. And that is that's tough.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

I mean, that's deep. Once again, it's like quicksand. I mean, I don't know. Because there is a fine line, right? Like in the subway situation, are you being a pompous asshole by being like, hey, you're not supposed to eat in here, right? Like versus a total pussy where you're like, I don't know, you know, like you know, like I've never done that, by the way. I've never gone up to anyone and been like, oh excuse me, sir. You know, you really or is it worse to not do anything at all? Or if you see something, should you say something?

SPEAKER_05 26:57

Okay, here is the crux of the situation. Okay, context matters.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

I agree.

SPEAKER_05 27:05

Right? So if I see my friend on the subway plop down with a whole package of dinosaur barbecue and just like, you know, go in a town. You know, actually roll out like five different dipping sauces, and they've got they didn't just get the ribs, by the way. They got the rice and the beans, not even the French fries, or greens, like yeah, like real, they needed to fork fork it. They're forking it, they're forking. Yeah. And they're really just going to town. Here's what matters. Is there anyone else on the train? Because I have been on the subway riding out to the end of the lines, and there are times when you're one of four people on an entire subway.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

So then is it okay for you to eat that?

SPEAKER_05 28:02

I'm like, yeah, go ahead, buddy. Enjoy those. Enjoy actually, in that context, it would be Dallas barbecue because that's more.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

Do you pull out like the candlesticks, like candles and light them for the Yeah?

SPEAKER_05 28:14

I would be like, hey, actually, I'd probably be like, hey, you got an extra rib. Can I get one? Yeah, and then just like peek over and be like, how how's that rice?

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Can I you got an extra spork?

SPEAKER_05 28:30

Exactly, right? And that turns out to be like a little bit of like a romantic dinner in a platonic subway way.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

So it's not okay if it's crowded, but if it's okay if there's like four people on the train.

SPEAKER_05 28:46

I'm saying, in a way, yes. I think and that's the context. That's the change in the world.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

But going back, if your friend pulled out the dinosaur's dinner platter, would you be like, yo, bro, are you fucking serious right now? Like, and you're in Union Square and people are like hovering on top of you.

SPEAKER_05 29:05

Yes. If it was my friend sitting next to me, I'd be like, Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_01 29:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:09

Like, no, put that away. Actually, I'm gonna turn that back to you. Axel and Ivor, your youngins, would you allow them to do that in that situation?

SPEAKER_01 29:20

I don't know if they would actually fully eat.

SPEAKER_05 29:23

Don't give me that bullshit of like you know, we're we're suspending disbelief.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

I don't know, no, I don't know. I mean, maybe, maybe not, I don't know. But Tom would be like, oh no, they did it. Like, he doesn't even like it when like we eat in like after the, you know, after you get food out of the drive-through and like you have to eat a couple of fries, right?

SPEAKER_05 29:42

Must eat a couple fries. That's like basically checking to make sure the whole order is.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

Yeah, he like seals it up and like has to pull over or get back on the highway if we're like driving any.

SPEAKER_05 29:54

Like you can't eat until you're going over 65 again.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

He's like, he's like speed, you know, like the bus will blow up, right? It's like you can't.

SPEAKER_05 30:05

He's like Dennis fucking hopper.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

Um or is he Keanu Reeves?

SPEAKER_05 30:10

Or he's Keanu Reeves, or is he Sandra Bolic?

SPEAKER_01 30:12

I'm Sandra Bolic. Well, I don't know, maybe. I wish it was Keanu Reeves.

SPEAKER_04 30:21

Um anyway, but I hear you.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

I hear you like he's like, oh no, and he like he sees me eat a couple fries. It gives me like this look of like, oh no, you didn't.

SPEAKER_04 30:32

Like, could you?

SPEAKER_01 30:34

You couldn't even wait until and I'm like, bro, like the fries are hot. You're supposed to eat it when it's hot.

SPEAKER_05 30:42

Yeah. The fries are hot, and who like fries are fries, dude? Yeah. Fries are fries are not.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

It's not like I like took out the hamburger and I'm shoving it in my face.

SPEAKER_05 30:52

Also, you've probably taken like the parent tax. I like to say the dad tax, but like, you know, there's probably the kids' fries, and you're like, I'm gonna have to take a few out the top.

SPEAKER_01 31:03

We gotta make sure it's not poisoned.

SPEAKER_05 31:05

Yeah, yeah, that's right. That is right. You gotta test that shit.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Um taking one for the team.

SPEAKER_05 31:13

Yeah. So anyway, my point being, coming back to the subway, I I think that if you know, if they were to sneak a fry on the train, you'd be cool with it. But if clearly if they're like whipping out their Big Mac and letting that shit drip down their arm and like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

I mean a Big Mac is still like contained. If it requires utensils or like l finger licking and like I mean, there's no sinks, it's just unsanitary. Cause then what are you gonna do? And I guess you're sitting down, hopefully, but like if you're standing up and doing that, like what are you gonna do? Like take your bucket, like over someone, really. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:56

That book, is that book good?

SPEAKER_05 31:58

Because this Big Mac's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

All right, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:02

So let's let's tie this all together. Look, there's shades of gray, okay? Everybody's doing their part, and context matters.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 32:14

And you know Also, how about this?

SPEAKER_01 32:16

I'm gonna throw this.

SPEAKER_05 32:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

Like, know your surroundings, right?

SPEAKER_05 32:20

Yeah, know your surroundings.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

Like, but a little bit more specifically, like in the sense of like human decency, human understanding, un being kind and understanding of like we are not in this world alone.

unknown 32:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Like understanding that maybe a s crowded subway is not the best place for you to eat that dinner. I understand you might have like two minutes before your next job. I don't know. It's like you got to live within the society, within some of some social norm.

SPEAKER_05 32:56

We're sharing space. Yes. We're sharing space, we're sharing a planet, we're sharing like an experience. So maybe like try your best to be aware of your surroundings and maybe take into account what that person could have been going through that day. But after the fifth layer of customer service, go fucking ape shit.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

I agree with that. Those are our takeaways.

SPEAKER_05 33:24

Those are our takeaways. And you can send them up to corporate.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

And then take it to the fucking man.

SPEAKER_05 33:33

I got a memo. It's uh yeah, the subject line endless supply of nothing.